Curse

sixdartbart · Jun 22, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by don_the_vito

I didn't bot, they probably thought I was botting because I've been doing the same things for five years -_-" sad thing is, you still see bots...

It's the same argument, people inject a .dll and get banned, people call them botters/hackers/cheaters/whatever and say they deserve it, sure some people who makes hundreds of dollars a week botting and who just steal cd keys anyways deserve to be banned, but some teenager who figured it might be interesting to see how they work gets banned after years of loyal play it is a pain and is very frustrating.

Just think, you log onto your account and oh wait, you can't because they say you cheated, how would you feel? To boot, they don't give you a reason, say they don't take your appeals and link you to the terms and conditions which says they can ban you for no reason anyways. Sounds like good customer service to me >_<

Are you by chance "some teenager who figured it might be interesting to see how they work" ?
"I didn't bot" and "just seeing how it works" aren't the same thing hence the reason people are sceptical of all of the claims of innocence on this subject.

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Originally Posted by don_the_vito

If you knew me you would, but your just some ignorant douche who thinks everyone who got banned was some sort of hacker/botter.

This makes you sound like a stand up person, I'm sure many more people will believe you after seeing some childish insults tossed around.

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Let's give everyone the death penaly instead of parking tickets just to make an example.

Sounds like it's worth a shot, where are you parked?

don_the_vito · Jun 23, 2010, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Are you by chance "some teenager who figured it might be interesting to see how they work" ?
"I didn't bot" and "just seeing how it works" aren't the same thing hence the reason people are sceptical of all of the claims of innocence on this subject.

Nope, just some teenager who feels they have been ripped off.

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This makes you sound like a stand up person, I'm sure many more people will believe you after seeing some childish insults tossed around.

I'm actually quite quiet, but people who call me a liar do not sit well with me. I got angry, I apologize. I'm just tired of all the crap NC Soft has been sending me. The fact that they didn't answer my question or reply before closing my question is annoying and in my opinion just shows bad customer service, but hey, that's just me and I'm sure people are going to quot me, but I'm done so enjoy.

Deakon · Jun 23, 2010, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Wait... whut? Is running 2 instances of GW with 2 separate accounts on the same computer a ban-able offense? (read something on page 2 to that effect or maybe I just read it wrong.)

Lord Sojar · Jun 23, 2010, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Deakon

Wait... whut? Is running 2 instances of GW with 2 separate accounts on the same computer a ban-able offense? (read something on page 2 to that effect or maybe I just read it wrong.)

Short answer: No

TL;DR answer: Using GW Multilaunch/GWx2 will not and never has had the capacity to get your account actioned. Arena Net has blatantly stated that used in it's original form, it will not get you banned.

own age myname · Jun 23, 2010, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by don_the_vito

I didn't bot, they probably thought I was botting because I've been doing the same things for five years -_-" sad thing is, you still see bots...

It's the same argument, people inject a .dll and get banned, people call them botters/hackers/cheaters/whatever and say they deserve it, sure some people who makes hundreds of dollars a week botting and who just steal cd keys anyways deserve to be banned, but some teenager who figured it might be interesting to see how they work gets banned after years of loyal play it is a pain and is very frustrating.

Just think, you log onto your account and oh wait, you can't because they say you cheated, how would you feel? To boot, they don't give you a reason, say they don't take your appeals and link you to the terms and conditions which says they can ban you for no reason anyways. Sounds like good customer service to me >_<

So, just because you were curious you shouldn't get banned? When you inject an unknown .DLL Anet isn't going to think it has to do with botting? Atleast KSMod was basically approved by Anet (when it injected a .DLL). You're statement reminds me of underage drinking; I just wanted to try it. Well, you did and you got caught.

Personally, I just mess around with making mods for Morrowind and Oblivion/coding private servers (privately) to get experience in the coding field if that's what you are trying to do...

axe · Jun 23, 2010, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Let's give everyone the death penaly instead of parking tickets just to make an example.

Well i'm still waiting till Gaile get's back to me since she is still looking into my case.

And yes i could live with a temp ban, but a permanent one for what i did would be the same as my example just now.

Cruel and unusual punishment I know I know, but

Instead of exaggerating think about laws and consequences. If there is a law that says, if you are speeding and caught you will be fined, and you do it anyways, you get caught you get fined, do that enough times and they will take away your license.

Here we have a case where Anet has said repeatedly DO NOT use third party programs, as well as some other rules such as dont cheat, dont modify the game in any way, etc. etc.

Furthermore they have banned people for using inappropriate language, for me reading the verbal abuse is FAR LESS SEVERE than cheating, and gaining unfair advantages over other players through the use of third party programs, it creates an environment where the only way to stay equal to the cheaters is to cheat yourself, where is the fun of the game if everyone is cheating and botting.

Sorry that the more sever and damaging forms of botting got you swept up in the mass bans, but they banned for DLL Injection nothing more. If you injected a DLL you modified the game in a way that is not acceptable in the EULA just like those players that were banned for inappropriate language, I am sure you feel that the punishment does not fit the crime, but the severity of the punishment is the deterrent for this type of activity. This way Anet doesnt have to monitor the game 24/7 to cut down on all this BS. Everyone crying for updates will enjoy a stagnant game if the remaining staff spent their work days policing the game.

The point is, if you DLL injected you are banned

fireflyry · Jun 23, 2010, 02:34 PM // 14:34

So your asking for the squires who moaned to come back and respond?

Doubtful.The majority were botters.

The guru vets just bitched, moaned, then left before anyone noticed they botted.

What I'm saying is people who were unjustly banned, to then get their accounts back, probably don't even know these forums exist and if they do they won't post because they are busy playing the game after getting accounts back.

The theme is dying as are the threads.

Enough said.

Iuris · Jun 23, 2010, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Just something to point out: when comparing to real world legal systems, don't forget the sentence passed is the equivalent of a 40$ fine. Not prison terms or similar...

Emunator · Jun 23, 2010, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by axe

Cruel and unusual punishment I know I know, but

Instead of exaggerating think about laws and consequences. If there is a law that says, if you are speeding and caught you will be fined, and you do it anyways, you get caught you get fined, do that enough times and they will take away your license.

Here we have a case where Anet has said repeatedly DO NOT use third party programs, as well as some other rules such as dont cheat, dont modify the game in any way, etc. etc.

Furthermore they have banned people for using inappropriate language, for me reading the verbal abuse is FAR LESS SEVERE than cheating, and gaining unfair advantages over other players through the use of third party programs, it creates an environment where the only way to stay equal to the cheaters is to cheat yourself, where is the fun of the game if everyone is cheating and botting.

Sorry that the more sever and damaging forms of botting got you swept up in the mass bans, but they banned for DLL Injection nothing more. If you injected a DLL you modified the game in a way that is not acceptable in the EULA just like those players that were banned for inappropriate language, I am sure you feel that the punishment does not fit the crime, but the severity of the punishment is the deterrent for this type of activity. This way Anet doesnt have to monitor the game 24/7 to cut down on all this BS. Everyone crying for updates will enjoy a stagnant game if the remaining staff spent their work days policing the game.

The point is, if you DLL injected you are banned

I actually agree with you for most part, but a-net has never been really clear on what is allowed or not.
Now we get a very few clear messages about texmod and such, before it seemed that it was just tolerated.

And i do not fall under their own message :

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We recently terminated over 3,700 accounts for botting and match manipulation. Violations of the User Agreement will not be tolerated and will result in account termination. For more details about these bans, read Design Director James Phinney's message at http://www.guildwars.com/support/bannings

I did not bot or do match manipulation, yes i injected a dll.
So if you are totally right, why isnt ksmod banned, it injects a dll too and could be used as such for botting.

That is why i made an extreme statement here, since their is really no sense anymore.

I still hope for the best to get my account back, since Gaile is still looking into it.
If i get it back i stay far away from everything including texmod, ksmod gw2launcer and such programs.
I dont want to get burned again.

own age myname · Jun 23, 2010, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Emunator

I did not bot or do match manipulation, yes i injected a dll.
So if you are totally right, why isnt ksmod banned, it injects a dll too and could be used as such for botting.

KSMod doesn't inject .DLL anymore. The .DLL stopped working months ago.

Hyperventilate · Jun 23, 2010, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by own age myname

KSMod doesn't inject .DLL anymore. The .DLL stopped working months ago.

Not to split hairs, but the mods have stated that they've been monitoring this for months. Even people who botted for 5 minutes got a ban. One instance of DLL injection = Ban, regardless.

So, yeah. Even though it was "months ago", they'd still see it, and still ban for it.

*lemming* · Jun 23, 2010, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by own age myname

KSMod doesn't inject .DLL anymore. The .DLL stopped working months ago.

It still does. The ksmod.exe is just a dll coupled with an injector.

BuD · Jun 23, 2010, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by lemming

The ksmod.exe is just a dll coupled with an injector.

The KSMOD.exe is the .dll injector, KSMOD.dll is the file that gets injected. 2 separate files.

*lemming* · Jun 23, 2010, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by BuD

The KSMOD.exe is the .dll injector, KSMOD.dll is the file that gets injected. 2 separate files.

Er, right, my bad. I'm not sure why I thought it was in one file.

Chico · Jun 23, 2010, 11:20 PM // 23:20

LOL'ed @ 'pretending'. I got banned way back thanks to my OCD during the last RRDAY yet they gave me the exact same responses I'm reading from those unfairly & fairly banned. Never got my OCD'd account back despite giving them strong evidence of being at my keyboard when it happened. They claimed that my OCD was too acute to be true (since when 6hrs of repetitive farming is too much?) or that I was a bot. Their deep analysis (a nazi BOT, yes they BOT on their 'analysis') flagged me as a bot back then and their little minds can't comprehend OCD. My posts here as well as in the official wiki got me flamed to hell, die haters die, but among the flames there were a few guys that actually understood and knew what I was going through... basically people that had been in my situation.

Back to the topic, I'd hate to hear about botters managing to be unbanned but I know that Anet's mechanisms to detect bots are quite weak and did confuse OCD with botting in the past. I was told I had raised too many flags. Among the banned there are for sure innocent accounts but also a huge majority will just be botters willing to fight back for their accounts. There's little chance for those really unfairly banned to get their account back. Just keep trying and wish that you don't get the lemon cobra guy to review your case because then your chances of anything actually happening will drop down to 0.

GL to the unfairly banned and a big loud 'HA HA' (in Nelson's tone) to the botters.

don_the_vito · Jun 24, 2010, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Lol I totally agree with Chico, for all I know my full days of doing the same farm over and over again made me look like a bot >_< Hell, I farmed elite monk tomes for a whole day and only got one or two in the end xD The stupid feeling of "maybe next time I'll get one" definitely could have screwed me over lawls

Elnino · Jun 24, 2010, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by Chico

Just keep trying and wish that you don't get the lemon cobra guy to review your case because then your chances of anything actually happening will drop down to 0.

Agreed, If you were unjustly banned and you wanna get your account back, make sure you don't get LemonCobra because you won't get any help from him.

Kumu Honua · Jun 24, 2010, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by don_the_vito

Lol I totally agree with Chico, for all I know my full days of doing the same farm over and over again made me look like a bot >_< Hell, I farmed elite monk tomes for a whole day and only got one or two in the end xD The stupid feeling of "maybe next time I'll get one" definitely could have screwed me over lawls

Give me a break.

You were not banned for farming monk tomes, and the "OCD" person was not banned for "OCD". If anything they were banned for match manipulation.

Whatever you have to tell yourself so you can live with the reality of the banned acount is fine. Just don't go trying to convince us that you really got banned for farming freaking monk tomes.

You aren't special. You aren't the only one who has farmed. You aren't even the only one who has farmed the same thing over and over and over for more hours than a person really should...

Nerel · Jun 24, 2010, 08:19 AM // 08:19

I once was banned for farming elite monk tomes from Byzzr Wingmender, a quick repetitive farm that many people did bot, and when Anet did a crackdown on it some non botting farmers got caught up in the sweep and banned as bots. Thankfully support quickly unbanned my account.

But yes, you do a simple repetitive farm for too long and you might just be mistaken for a bot... it HAS happened before.

Riot Narita · Jun 24, 2010, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Nerel

But yes, you do a simple repetitive farm for too long and you might just be mistaken for a bot... it HAS happened before.

I think their detection methods have moved on a bit since then. I am still fearlessly doing repetitive farming runs.